Apology to Roland

Roland, 

I am sorry if I have made you feel that I dismiss your insight out of hand or because it's from you as the source.  I do not and never wanted you to feel that way.  I respect your views and thoughts on these issues.  Sorry for anytime when I've let my passion be negatively addressed to you, especially when you have not deserved it.  I have never wanted that. 

I need to learn how to disagree more agreeably.  Sorry that you have been one of those people I learn on.  Yes, I disagree with the missional church.  I've made that painfully obvious.  I agree with some of the questions they are asking and am trying to learn from them.  The conclusions they come to, I do not like or find solidly biblical.  I feel this movement is outside of evangelicalism and that is water I'm familiar in discussing in.  

I will thrive to be more of a servant, learner and disagree less verbally.  Sorry for offending you if I have done so.  

Gospel and Canon

I was thinking in light of a couple of statements and had a question.  

1.  You've said that the church under Christendom basically has got it wrong.  The Missional Leader says it's now obsolete, not wrong.  In class you said that the church has been missing the boat for 17 centuries.  (if I phrased that too strongly sorry I'm really trying to repeat what you said).  

2.  The Missional movement is about the proclamation of the "Kingdom of God" or the "Reign of God."  This is definitely a focus of Jesus' teachings.  In studying for another class we brought up the point that the focus of Paul's teaching is  clearly the gospel.  

I've got two questions:  

1.  What focus is there on the gospel or more specifically in evangelical language, "asking Jesus in your heart?" Last class time you said the Missional Movement was broader than the scope of evangelicalism.    So my guess is that you'll say this focus is among some but not all.  With mainline denominational churches it's less about the individual and more about God's calling on the community.  With some reformed thought, it's not individual election but communal election.  With Lutherans, and many others, it's about being a part of the community of believers.  So the focus is on the church community and not the individual.  

 

SO my question is where does the gospel fit into the Missional Movement, specifically in regards to a personal relationship with Jesus?  

2.  If the church has been wrong for 17 centuries, what about the canon?  The canon was put together post-Constantine.  Is it merely a product of Christendom?  I don't know.  If you toss out the Christendom, do you toss out everything?  Along with this, what doctrinal creeds are widely accepted in the Missional Movement, the apostles Creed, etc.?  I'm not accusing y'all of not accepting the canon but how do you take the authority of scripture in 66 books and be so adamant on the error of the church under this time frame being so bad.  

SO what is the Missional Movements acceptance of the canon, creeds and any doctrinal assertions post 311AD?